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"Comment: Regarding your comment, the article has several sources and that's good but still add any more that are available overall. Cheers, SwisterTwister talk 07:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)"
so as you can see it looks like we are nearly there, but need more/better references. I have added in the two Mae suggested.
Are there no public records of the incorporation or annual reports for obsidian portal? ( as I am not a US citizen I dont know where to look for these things "across the pond", but perhaps one of you colonial types would know? ;) )
Are there no hard copy, reputable newspaper articles that were written? surly Micah or someone must have had their local newspaper round to talk about their communities latest '.com-hero'?
Also if kaleidoscope make an announcement about the purchase of the company on their site that can help. perhaps we can make more use of the OP blog as well? im not sure how much cross over there needs to be on those.
any and all help most welcome folks!
Cheers
Nick
as we have contact with the powers that be once more - if Im going to get the OP Wikipedia page up and running, I need more/better references. Has Kaleidoscope made any public announcements about taking over OP that i can reference?
does anyone out there have a robust (peer reviewed or a local newspaper type report that can accessed and referenced) that refers to the existence of OP as a real thing (preferably a thing that is in someway significant to the RP hobby/business and so worthy of a Wikipedia page of its very own)?
If you go to news.google.com, it searches google-recognized news sources and a search for "obsidian portal" will pull up a bunch of links that can be summarized and cited on the wiki page.
Here is a link to the search results page for "obsidian portal":https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=obsidian+portal&oq=obsidian+portal&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.549.1943.0.3177.9.6.0.0.0.0.448.2433.3-4j2.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.KJyFKxwedL8#hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&q=%22obsidian+portal%22
my main issue is that the references we have to date are not quite good enough to pass the minimum threshold for getting the wiki page published. All the references found to date are fairly niche web based resources. We need something a bit more official and permanent. Ideally something in print (e.g. news paper article), or a legally binding document (transfer of ownership certificate perhaps) that is in the public record.
I have had no luck so far and the the google news search isn't finding that for me either.
I dont know how it works in the US, but here in the UK we have a government organisation called 'companies house': all business need to registered with them. Is there something similar in the US that I can use to get a verifiable, independent proof that obsidian portal exists and kaleidoscope own it? i think even that will be enough to tip the scales enough in our favour that i would be happy to re-submit the article.
Its obvious that Obsidian Portal exists.
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looking at Wikipedia guidelines, the references you can have are ranked (as you would expect) with peer reviewed journals at the top, and forum comments on here or RPG.NET somewhere near the bottom. A public access legal document (like a certificate of incorporation) or a newspaper article that was in print (and so subject to the rules and guidelines of the printed press) carries a lot more weight. Alternatively we can keep looking for more and more web based references. I dont know what the ratio is; but sooner or later there must be enough web based references to tip the balance in our favour....
The only thing I can think of is proof of incorporation (the thing that makes it ", Inc." or "LLC"). I'm nowhere near educated enough on the business world end of things to know how to look that stuff up, though.
Maybe the Better Business Bureau (BBB) has something?
As you say, NikMak, the best thing might be some official Kaleidoscope acquisition paperwork or reported-on trade deal, and/or maybe even something from a financial news source?
EDIT: What about taking it through the ENnies route? It's affiliated with Gen Con, the ENnies have their own (albeit small) page on Wikipedia, and we could model from other existing pages from Wikipedia that link on the ENnies lists. (Side note: Indie Press Revolution has its own page, but DriveThruRPG doesn't...makes you wonder what the standards really are, huh?)
~Mae
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as for the standards for inclusion... yeah. My guess is it depends which Wikipedian moderator you get. Looks like we got one who is very thorough! The down side is that its harder to get into the wiki, but the upside is that if/when we do get there the page will be better for it, and more likely to stay there for a period of time. Especially if it becomes the seed for a series of articles on electronic support for table top gaming, as i hope it will. That is a subject that deserves its own wiki page as well.
~Mae
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~Mae
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Just trying to help out.
until we can find those two references (news article, journals article, reference in books published by significant publishers, publicly available legal documents or something equivalent) we will not get the wiki page up for OP.
If you want the offical policy guidelines "they are here":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything
as we have not managed to find independent, preferably printed, reference sources of high enough quality in time; the draft wiki page is now scheduled for deletion.
If the folks at Kaleidoscope ever want to get a wiki page up and running (and help increase their own income stream from the site?) I suggest they do a couple of local press interviews and get some details in print.
I will keep a copy of the draft wiki page, and of course we can try and re-create it in the future if we ever get some more reputable references to justify the creation of the wiki page. if any one wants a copy of the the wki page themselves take a look over at "Wikipedia":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Obsidian_Portal and make your self a copy (click the edit tab if you want to keep the original code)
it was fun learning to create a wiki page, and I am now applying that skill in work - so not a wasted experience for me at least :)
It might be a good idea to suggest OP use your draft for their About page.
I don't think they have one right now and it would be a good central place for the info.
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