GM-Only NPC Tags?

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  • DarthKrzysztof
    DarthKrzysztof
    Posts: 132
    This may be impossible, but it would help me out a lot: could the system be modified to permit the creation of character tags that only the GM could see?

    _Cold Blood_ has just over 50 public NPCs at the moment, and I use the tags to keep them organized. However, most of them have something to hide. So, if there's one that the PCs haven't exposed as an Anarchist (for example), it might help me to tag him with a _secret_ "Anarchist" tag so he'd show up among the other Anarchist NPCs, without showing my hand to the players.

    Again, this may not be possible, but I hadn't seen it discussed before, so I thought I'd run it up the flagpole.
  • geekevolved
    geekevolved
    Posts: 75
    I'm pretty sure that its already in there.... Aidan has a bunch of NPCs hidden from us.
  • DarthKrzysztof
    DarthKrzysztof
    Posts: 132
    bq. I’m pretty sure that its already in there…. Aidan has a bunch of NPCs hidden from us.

    Thanks, I should have clarified what I was talking about. This would be putting "private" tags on "public" NPCs.

    For example, "here":http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaign/cold-blood/npc-tracker/Illuminated is a list of public NPCs with the "Illuminated" tag.

    Now, "Lissandra":http://www.obsidianportal.com/game_contents/show/lissandra is NOT an Illuminated agent, but let's suppose that she _was,_ and that the PCs hadn't figured that out yet. What I'd like to do in such cases is put an "Illuminated" tag on her that only I could see.

    I like to create NPC pages as soon as the players learn about them, to provide a space where they can reference whatever information they've gained about those characters. After all, now I have the option to put their stats in the GM-only field until they've been encountered, and preferably defeated. This would just give me another method for managing campaign secrets.
  • geekevolved
    geekevolved
    Posts: 75
    Gotcha, I see what you mean. That would be handy ;)
  • Micah
    Micah
    Posts: 894
    Hmm, that's a good idea, but don't look for it anytime soon.

    On another note, I'm trying to rethink some of the tag-based browsing to make it friendlier (like the recent redesign of the NPC page), and it's good to know that people are actually using the tags. Their one of my favorite features, but then again, I'm a big Web 2.0 nut for sites like "del.icio.us":http://del.icio.us/ and such.
  • IceBob
    IceBob
    Posts: 98
    I've tagged the heck out of my NPCs, and I use it to help the players keep track of which NPCs belong to which groups.
  • DarthKrzysztof
    DarthKrzysztof
    Posts: 132
    Also, do the tags for player characters have any functionality? It might be nice to click one and be taken to a list of all "elf" tagged PCs - or, more useful in my game, to share the PC tags with the NPCs from the same campaign. That is, clicking on the "elf" tag for a PC would pull up a list of PCs with that tag, followed by an NPC list. That kind of thing.
  • Figment
    Figment
    Posts: 132
    I, for one, would love that ability, too. As it is, I have to leave certain NPCs incompletely tagged for the same reasons. People with secret allegiences (or even secret races and classes in some instances) can't be completely tagged until al of their secrets are revealed in-game. And that's just not as optimal as it could be.

    I'd also be cool to associate NPCs and PCs in the same page -- both all together and when sorted by specific tags. I definately would like to see such changes.
  • IceBob
    IceBob
    Posts: 98
    I also would love to see the PCs in a given campaign listed on the same page as the NPCs but under a different heading (the way the GM sees NPCs vs GM-only NPCs) - and have a common pool of tags.
  • DarthKrzysztof
    DarthKrzysztof
    Posts: 132
    bq. I also would love to see the PCs in a given campaign listed on the same page as the NPCs but under a different heading (the way the GM sees NPCs vs GM-only NPCs) – and have a common pool of tags.

    Thanks, that's what I meant to say in the first place.
  • Micah
    Micah
    Posts: 894
    Ok, let me see if I can break this down. It seems like there are multiple issues here:

    h3. Add PCs to the list of NPCs

    This is a good idea, and I've been thinking about it for a while. I'd like to change the name of the "NPC Tracker" to just something like "Characters" and have the PCs in there. They would need to be set-apart somehow, as has been mentioned. Honestly, this shouldn't be too hard, except for figuring out a way to make it look good.

    Also, they would be filterable with tags, just like the rest of the NPCs.

    h3. GM-only tags

    Also a good idea, but harder to do. Sounds very useful, so I'll try to puzzle out a way of doing it. However, don't look for it anytime soon.
  • LordTentacle
    LordTentacle
    Posts: 2
    Hello,
    I wish I could hide tags from players, too. I know Micah said not to look for it anytime soon, but it's been a bit. Any progress, or is it already done or have another work around I'm just missing?
    Thank you.
  • kenurion
    kenurion
    Posts: 80
    Here's a work around.

    Type the tags in the "GM-only" section. Then you can search them using google, but restrict the search to the characters directory of your campaign. For example, type this into the google search box to search for all elves in my campaign:

    elf site:http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/saga-of-jaraah/characters

    If players do this search, they will be able to see the results, but they won't be able to see the information. For example, they'll know all of the characters tagged with elf (in the above example), but they still won't be able to see the GM only section. This isn't perfect. If they wanted to, they could still find things out, but they wouldn't accidentally stumble onto the information. You could also mis-spell the tags to throw them off.

    "kenurion":http://www.obsidianportal.com/profile/kenurion
    "Saga of Jaraah":http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/saga-of-jaraah
    "Compendium of PbP and On-Line Campaigns":http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/compendium-of-pbp-on-line-campaigns
  • LordTentacle
    LordTentacle
    Posts: 2
    Fantastic and quick response. Thanks for the tip, :)
  • Whimper
    Whimper
    Posts: 2
    It's been awhile, but I'd still like to see a "private tag" functionality built right in to OP. I know I can do work arounds with the Wiki and GM-only lines, but I just think about how useful it would be to secretly tag all Dark Cultists as "Dark Cultist", yet not have that be visible to my players.
  • KurtisPittman
    KurtisPittman
    Posts: 1
    One thing you can do is to create a GM only wiki page with separate links to each group of characters- PC or NPC. Just organize it into sections i.e. "Dark Cultists" and then a list of links to each character in that group. Kinda clunky to set up but it keeps your groups all together with only a couple more mouse clicks in the process.
  • wsocrates
    wsocrates
    Posts: 18
    I would like to add my want for this option. I came across this when I introduced a new NPC to the group. I forgot that he is part of a major secret group that when I was building everything I tagged him as. I had to go back and remove the tag before anyone saw it.
  • Maesenko
    Maesenko
    Posts: 325
    I, too, am still desperately hoping for a private tagging option (GM Only or restricted, like the Player Secret section). I add my vote to this motion.

    _~Mae_
    _Player of_ "Outremer":https://outremer.obsidianportal.com/

    ~Mae

    CotM Selection Committee

  • NikMak
    NikMak
    Posts: 379
    agreed, great idea, would be really helpful to able to add 'serial killer', 'spy' and 'traitor' tags as needed :D
  • ApollyonBoB
    Posts: 2
    I've just started looking for this as well. I have two suggestions:

    Data driven:
    A place where you can actually edit all the tags you have (I can't find such a place at the moment) that can be in settings or whatever. You'd have two spots - normal tags, and GM tags. You could add things to the GM tags. GMs would pull from both lists in all cases, Players would only pull from the first.

    Convention driven:
    Putting "GM-" in the front of a tag would cause it to not show up for the players. This isn't necessarily "clean" but it's a convention that's been used for web development forever haha. Also it seems like it require the least amount of back end work.

    But otherwise, yeah, without this feature it's basically impossible to tag NPCs that are secret. Not only because you can't put "SecretlyACultist" as a tag, but you can't even put "SecretTagA" because then the players automatically know that everyone connected to SecretTagA are together. (And once they expose one, they basically know them all.)

    So, yeah you can't tag any NPC for any mystery if players can see all tags, without giving away (possibly crucial) information to the players.

    I mean, yes, you can put it in the GM only section, but unless that's searched on, which it doesn't seem like, that makes it useless in a search sense. Same with Wiki pages. I can't then connect a location to like "SecretTagA" because then they'll know, "Well, that's their headquarters."

    So yeah, secrets cannot be searched, filtered, or sorted with public only tags. And uh ... this has been requested now and again for uh ... six years now. Any idea where it might be in the queue?
  • Basileus
    Basileus
    Posts: 585
    I doubt there will be a response here. Best to open a ticket in the "Suggestions" section on the Help forums: "Suggestions":http://help.obsidianportal.com/discussions/suggestions
  • ApollyonBoB
    Posts: 2
    Appreciate that, thanks.
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