Printing

Baalshamon
Baalshamon
edited October 2011 in General Discussion
When I prepare a game I tend to print the house rules and details of the compaign in booklet format. With a large campaign like "Star Trek Late Night":http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/star-trek-late-night I foresee needing to print several actual books. Does anyone know of companies that offer very small order book publishing?

I am also looking for a company that can print my drama decks for the palyers to use. The cheapest I have found so far will still run me close to $30 a deck for 162 plastic coated playing cards.

Last thing is dice. I need a company that can make me 6 sided dice numbered 0-5 without breaking the bank. I figure for our team we will need about 150 dice in three diffent collors. (100 black, 30 red, 20 green)

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  • wolfhound
    wolfhound
    Posts: 354
    Erg. Small print runs can be tricky. I'll rummage around my old printer info from back in my Reaper mini days and see if I turn up anybody that does small runs.

    Don't forget Cafepress has a book option now. Not cheap, but since you may only want a couple that might be best. Also just printing and sending them to Kinkos to be spiral bound might be a great idea (spiral binding tends to be my preferred for gaming books as they lay flat).
  • wolfhound
    wolfhound
    Posts: 354
    How many you printing? Half dozen? Dozen? 100?

    Here's CafePress's info. Not cheapest, but since they'll print as few as one I'd set them as "the baseline.":http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/books.aspx
  • wolfhound
    wolfhound
    Posts: 354
    My old contacts with card printers, from back when I did the CAV initiative decks all have minimum orders, so I need that info.

    As for dice, may want to contact koplow dice. Looks like they are "already set up for that.":http://www.amazon.com/16mm-Opaque-Numbered-White-Black/dp/B001EQYS48
  • Baalshamon
    Baalshamon
    Posts: 585
    printing half a dozen will give one to every player and myself. Thanks Wolf
  • wolfhound
    wolfhound
    Posts: 354 edited October 2011
    I can't find anyone in my old contacts that will do less than 10 decks. Your 162 number presents a bit of an issue too as you'd technically be printing three 54 card decks or two 81 card decks to get one full set.

    Card printing machines are pretty heavily automated so it's better to cater to what the machines can do rather than try to pay for an oddball setup (read "even more expensive"). It may be cheaper to get three different decks x10 and have full 4 spare sets than trying to get six 162 card oddball decks made.

    "Guild of Blades":http://www.gobretail.com seems to have both print on demand as well as cards. They'd probably be a good first contact as they might cut a deal for both jobs. (at 6 that's not very likely but you can always ask, the worst they can say is no)

    * Deck A = your first 81 Cards x10 = $52.65
    * Deck B = your second 81 Cards x10 = $52.65
    * Total: $105.30 (which is $10.53 per deck, or you can consider that $17.55 for 6 decks with 4 "free" leftovers). So that's half to a third the number you quoted.

    EDIT: Above numbers are for black and white decks. 4/4 full color is $60.75 per 81 card minimum 10 half-deck, so that's $121.50 for both (which is $20 for 6 decks plus 4 free leftovers).

    The Book Patch seems to be able to handle your book "printing fairly cheap.":http://www.thebookpatch.com/

    "Koplow":http://www.koplowgames.com/ seems to have six sided 0-5 dice as part of the math/education line. The tooling of the numbers is the expensive part, if you contact them directly I'm sure changing the color of the pad printing or dice plastic should be easy.
    Part #05313 for a 100 count bag of white/black numbers.
    Part #05312 for a 50 count bag ... just buy this and use miniature paint and paint the numbers red and green or contact them about doing a custom job with a different pad printing color.

    The places I actually used back in my publishing days are either much higher than six as a minimum order and/or are overseas.
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  • wolfhound
    wolfhound
    Posts: 354 edited October 2011
    Looks like Superior can beat Guild of Blades on cards. You'd have to do 9 different 18 card sets but they do six as a quantity.

    "Link to SuperiorPOD":http://superiorpod.onprintshop.com/p75/18-Card-Per-Sheet----Individual-Card-Design/product_info.html

    18 Cards from SuperiorPOD x 6 decks = $9.24 x9 different decks to get 162 = $83.16 ($13.86 for each 162 card deck).
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  • Baalshamon
    Baalshamon
    Posts: 585
    nice research and thanks, I will check out all the options
  • Duskreign
    Duskreign
    Posts: 1,085
    I just finished the first draft of my first novel, and I've been struggling to find a publisher, so this may well be the way I go, too. I'm still in first-draft editing stage, so it'll be a while before I'm ready to go with it, but getting published as a new author isn't easy, so self-publishing a small first production run might be the only way for me to go.
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