Campaign Activity

SkidAce
SkidAce
edited February 2014 in General Discussion
Interesting factoids.

There are 4948 pages of campaigns. They are sorted by last updated

EDIT: Read farther along the thread, mistakes were made and corrected. /grin.

Page 4948 has campaigns that haven't been updated since 2007.

Starting at page 1 (updated within hours or minutes) you can go back to page 10, where from that point to 4948, all the campaigns are at least a year since an update.

That leaves 4938 pages of over a year since update.

This does not mean they aren't being used, (although I wager most are not) just that they haven't been update in over a year.

edit: there are 12 campaigns per page, meaning roughly 59,376 campaigns, with 120 updated within a year.
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I might comb through the first 10 pages and count systems in a day or two.
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  • Meagoinc
    Meagoinc
    Posts: 26 edited February 2014
    I am actually very intrigued by this. For some reason it never occurred to me that the campaign page is organized by update. But what qualifies as an update? "Tyellador":https://tyellador.obsidianportal.com isn't listed on the front page although Thorvaldr emailed me updates on it mere minutes ago (and we've been bingeing on fixing up our CSS all weekend). The next logical way of sorting would be by Adventure Log post, which would put us on pages 8-9 (early September; pre-reforge and before my move out of the States).

    I've looked at it both signed out and signed in. Do you ever see your own campaign (Unconquered Kingdoms) on the campaign list? What am I missing here?

    EDIT 12:11pmGMT: APPARENTLY, because we don't have over 20 fans, both your campaign and ours are relegated to page 16 (well out of sight and mind) despite updating; so if you're trying to tabulate updates, it's within the year for campaigns with OVER 20 fans for pages 1-10, and within the year for campaigns with 16-20 fans for pages 16-19, and then campaigns with 14-15 fans (like Sorceress's epically creative Hero Academy) are relegated to pages 19-22, and then campaigns with 12-13 fans updated within the year start again on pages 24-28 (and recently updated with 10-11 fans= pgs. 31-38, etc.)...

    It's a system sorted first by fans, with no way to resort it so you can actually see new campaigns. That means that newer campaigns with fewer fans don't get the exposure to get more fans, because at page 11 you start thinking it's all pre-2012... it's stacked! (especially because not everyone is active on the forums).

    Right. New mission is to promote recently updated campaigns which I never knew about because they weren't on the first three pages.
    "Kingmaker":https://adelaidekingmaker.obsidianportal.com/
    Post edited by Meagoinc on
  • Thorvaldr
    Thorvaldr
    Posts: 141
    I found Tyellador on "page 16!":https://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns?page=16 I see a few recently update campaigns around us, and then a whole bunch last updated in 2010/2011. I think campaigns with fewer than 20 fans get relegated to second-class citizen status? :P That's my theory at least.

    -Thorvaldr
    DM of "Tyellador":https://tyellador.obsidianportal.com/
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    I never see mine, I assumed it was because it was coded to show me all others.

    Last updated can be (from my purview) a wiki or character type page change. An adventure log post, and even someone favorite'ing your campaign.

    I never though to look further than the first page for mine, cause I knew I had just updated it! Lol.

    Good input Thorvaldr, that would throw my "past page 10 is a year old" stat off, which is a good thing for the site I suppose.
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    @Thorvaldr, also everyone on the page with you is kicking in at 17 or 18 fans.

    So potentially sorted by update and grouped by # of fans, what a weird concept.
  • Thorvaldr
    Thorvaldr
    Posts: 141
    I think page 14/15 is some sort of dividing line. (Although maybe it's a coincidence.) There are no campaigns that I saw with fewer than 20 fans from pages 1-14. Page 14 has some campaigns last updated in 2010. Once you hit page 15, there are all campaigns with fewer than 20 fans, and many updated in 2013/2014... and some 2012. Tyellador might hit 20 fans soonish, so then I'll have some more info! :P

    -Thorvaldr
    DM of "Tyellador":https://tyellador.obsidianportal.com/
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Yes, interesting.

    After 20+ they seem to be grouped in pairs, 19s and 18s, 17s, and 16s etc. They are consistently dropping in number of fans, but on several pages you will see a 12 before a 13 because of the update date.

    I have several beers in the fridge...lets see....
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Yup, page 31 starts the 10s and 11s with the first one updated a few hours ago.

    So anybody reading...take my first post and throw it away.

    /opens another beer
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Just for random information, the dividing line between 2s and 3s, and 1s and 0s is currently page 490. Just updated a few minutes ago.

    In that category, updated a year ago hits around page 950, so...

    950 to 4948 is over a year old without updates.

    Not 10 to 4948 like it first appeared. (granted there are some over a year old in the other categories, but I don't have that many beers.
  • Meagoinc
    Meagoinc
    Posts: 26
    ^Also.... apparently I took too long editing my post. ;__; But I was thinking of you all while I did it...
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    I need four more fans so I can be in the big time.
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    I agree with @Meagoinc, that's a lot of potential and fantastic campaigns I've sadly been overlooking.
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Apparently it counts if you fav your own campaign! Three to go.
  • ketherian
    ketherian
    Posts: 203
    SkidAce - I wasn't sure which campaign you needed the fans for (you have two linked in your profile; so I became a fan of both. Hope it helps.
    Thanks for the research, it explains why I never see my campaign when I go looking among the recently updated.

    -
    "Signs and Portends":https://swtwc.obsidianportal.com/
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Unconquered Kingdoms is the "active" campaign, a subsection of the world.

    Alfaysia holds the main info that is applicable across the world, gods, house rules etc.

    Thanks!
  • GamingMegaverse
    GamingMegaverse
    Posts: 2,966
    Fascinating.... the old Portal had them only listed by recently updated, regardless of fans....
    killervp
    "A God...Rebuilt":https://a-god-rebuilt.obsidianportal.com
    "OP's COTM April 2012":http://blog.obsidianportal.com/a-god-rebuilt-aprils-cotm/

    Just trying to help out.

  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830 edited February 2014
    Dang it. Got 20, but I'm still on page 15.

    The break in the main category cant be 21, cause there are 4 or 5 campaigns in the big first group with 20 fans.

    I won't be able to figure this out. Its probably some left over tag they have from pre-forge or something.

    This is a bummer...I don't want to be stuck behind some campaign not updated since 2010 (no disrespect intended).
    Post edited by SkidAce on
  • Maesenko
    Maesenko
    Posts: 325 edited February 2014
    Found myself down on page 45. 8 Fans, have a couple of 9's around mine, all of us updated 2 days ago, then a bit further down are the 3 and 4 days ago.
    Seems to support the theory they are pseudo-grouped by fans (20+, then in pairs descending) and then by when updated.

    About to test that theory to see if I move up the page list.

    EDIT: Yep, just did a quick page edit to the Front Page and I jumped to the top of the "8-9 Fans" bracket. Put me at the end of page 43.

    _~Mae_
    "Whispers in Tamris":https://whispers-in-tamris.obsidianportal.com/
    Post edited by Maesenko on

    ~Mae

    CotM Selection Committee

  • Meagoinc
    Meagoinc
    Posts: 26
    @SkidAce! Now that you've 20 fans, you've made the front page! :D So our assessment of the algorithm IS right (by fans, then by date), and it does update (though perhaps not as often as we'd like). We're still on page 15, though I'm hoping the nomination for CoTM will help our lot... * fingers crossed *.

    ~Meagoinc
    Loremistress, "Tyellador":https://tyellador.obsidianportal.com
  • Thorvaldr
    Thorvaldr
    Posts: 141
    Proof of concept! And the Scientific Method prevails, thank you Maesenko, Meagoinc and SkidAce!

    Even if Obsidian Portal doesn't give us ways to sort or search campaigns... at least if they could allow us to filter out campaigns that haven't been updated. Something as simple as a "Only show campaigns updated within 1 month" option. That would "hide" pages 6-15 just to start with, which would show Tyellador (or any campaign in the 18-19 grouping) on page 6, and Whispers in Tamris (or any other campaign in the 8-9 grouping) on page 14 or so. Which would be a good jump for us all, as I don't think most people know that there are real campaigns past page 10 right now. As it is currently, it seems like it would be very hard for new campaigns to ever get any fans, nonetheless 20.

    I've added to the "Search for a Campaign ticket":http://help.obsidianportal.com/discussions/problems/12375-search-for-a-campaign-functionality-post-reforge asking if they can at least hide campaigns that haven't been updated in over a month. Travis19 has been very good in responding there. Please feel free to add your voice to the ticket!

    -Thorvaldr
    DM of "Tyellador":https://tyellador.obsidianportal.com/
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Huzzah!

    Thanks to all our research is golden.

    I'm heading to pitch in on that ticket as we speak.
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Tyellador has 20 fans now.
  • Maesenko
    Maesenko
    Posts: 325 edited February 2014
    I think a dropdown hide option for 1, 3, 6, or 12 months would be nicer. There are some good campaigns that just don't update that often or are completed, and we'd be running into the "Overlooked campaigns" issue.

    But I do agree that something should be done about it. There are plenty of campaigns that just don't exist anymore, and a lot of accounts that are effectively closed in OP's history.

    EDIT: anyone else think it's funny that the fans count pairings are ability score modifiers in D&D?

    _~Mae_
    "Whispers in Tamris":https://whispers-in-tamris.obsidianportal.com/
    Post edited by Maesenko on

    ~Mae

    CotM Selection Committee

  • Basileus
    Basileus
    Posts: 589
    @Maesenko: Hah, that's awesome! :)
  • WolfLord
    WolfLord
    Posts: 276
    Awesome idea Thorvaldr I am totally behind that. There are some really good looking campaigns with under 20 fans that are very active and deserve more but aren't getting any spotlight. The campaign filtering just needs more features added overall. View by favorites, view by updated recently, view by months of inactivity, etc etc. Definitely some work to be done there. Makes the community much less effective the way it is currently.

    "Age of Heroes":https://heroes-of-hellas.obsidianportal.com/
    "Avatar: Conquest of the Imperial Order":https://avatar_adventures.obsidianportal.com/
    "COTM November 2011":http://blog.obsidianportal.com/november-11-campaign-of-the-month-avatar-conquest-of-the-imperial-order/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=november-11-campaign-of-the-month-avatar-conquest-of-the-imperial-order
  • Black_Vulmea
    Black_Vulmea
    Posts: 277
    Beyond sussing out the algorithm, there are some interesting questions raised here.

    Is the concept of a campaign wiki more popular than the execution of one? This site's won a number of awards, but only a relatively small proportion of the number of users actively update and expand it.

    Is it that campaigns end quickly, prematurely, or both?

    Is it that creating and maintaining the wiki is too much like work for some gamers?

    Mike aka Black Vulmea
    "_Le Ballet de l'Acier_":http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/le-ballet-de-l-acier - swashbuckling adventures in the age of the Three Musketeers and Captain Alatriste
    Featured Campaign of the Month - August 2011
  • GamingMegaverse
    GamingMegaverse
    Posts: 2,966
    Mike!!! He is alive!! You are seriously missed on the forums here!
    As always, great questions! I personally have always felt that it is up to the community. Until DarkMagus great resource of gaming music passed it by, the former leader in "fans" was a very undeveloped, not very custom campaign that was made by a popular podcaster/blogger who seemed to get fans just because it was rated #1. Then there were campaigns like yours, that were highly customized, beautiful to look at, and great reads, that I felt had legitimately earned their "gold jacket" (still waiting on mine, btw.... thought you were in charge of that lol...)
    The concept is easy, execution is tough!
    Creating and maintaining is too much like work for many, but they usually don't get many fans.
    Some campaigns end quickly, but burn brightly. Some last forever, toiling in obscurity. Some just never go away, and in your face (I'm calling out myself there). I think that there should be 3 categories- in planning, playing, and completed. If a campaign has not been updated on OP in 6 months it automatically goes to completed.

    My 2 cents- hope you are back to stay!!
    killervp
    "A God...Rebuilt":https://a-god-rebuilt.obsidianportal.com
    "OP's COTM April 2012":http://blog.obsidianportal.com/a-god-rebuilt-aprils-cotm/
    "Duskreign's First Ever COTM":http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/wyrmshadow/wiki_pages/112011

    Just trying to help out.

  • Adoraith
    Adoraith
    Posts: 62
    Giving the user the ability to sort based upon more than just update date and fans would be a huge plus for me. I enjoy paging through the campaign lists and checking out campaigns with an attractive banner or name. I find that nearly every site out there has something that inspires me to add to my newest campaign.

    I would love to be able to set parameters for keyword searches. For example, be able to search for any wiki page with the words "Magic Items" in the title.

    I will never have the time, between family, work, and the constant work on the campaign, to turn my page into a visual masterpiece but have always believed that it is content that really matters.



    "Adoraith: Echoes of Epirus":https://adoraith-echoes-of-epirus.obsidianportal.com/
  • SkidAce
    SkidAce
    Posts: 830
    Hey Adoraith, where is that huge battlefield pic on your main page from?
  • Adoraith
    Adoraith
    Posts: 62
    hmmm...not sure, I did a google search for "fantasy battle" and it came up a while back. I wanted something to represent the fall of a great city to outsiders and thought it fit the bill.
  • GuyKilmore
    GuyKilmore
    Posts: 36
    Google has everything.
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